Sandwiched between World AIDS Day and the International Day of People with Disabilities, we talk to the recently crowned Laird Leatherman – Craig Burnett here in Melbourne and then we’ll be crossing the border to South Australia to talk to Cherrie Rogers – the reigning Ms Adelaide Leather.

Cal and Jack are in the JOY Studio for the first time in a while to hear from our local leather communities on the leather scene and the intersection with health and wellbeing.

We also cover navigating kink communities as a person with a disability.

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For more podcasts on health and wellbeing, check out our other JOY Podcasts!