It’s our annual pageant show, with Vienna Salvo (Miss Trans of 2019) and Taylor Cougle (Miss Trans contestant 2020) joining us to talk gowns, the value of being an out role model, and saving the world.

We discuss: trans girls in Canadian pageants, the South Korean Military’s treatment of a trans soldier, and Steven Universe

We feature the music of Eliot Sumner.

This episode was originally broadcast on 23 January.