Australian Greens Senator Janet Rice and her wife Penny Whetton join Benjamin this week to discuss their childhoods, careers, and coming out as transgender and transitioning during their relationship.

Word For Word airs midday (AEDT) Saturdays on JOY 94.9 in Melbourne, streaming live at JOY.org.au, on the JOY App or iHeartRadio, and available via podcast from iTunes or your favourite podcast provider.